the very wrong conclusion that because Germany was finished, squashed flat during the appalling military conflict of World War II, therefore the Jews of the world no longer have anything to fear. We know the make-up of the police battalions which carried out the killings on the eastern front, the battalions to which you attached such emphasis. In these units the Germans were in a minority — most of the men were drawn from units of the Baltic states, the Estonians, Latvians, and Lithuanians, as well as a large number of Ukrainians and other Russians too. And surely this raises a fundamental question, which you would have done better to address –“The audience were now very restive, as it dawned that I was not a Goldhagen fan.
” — Why did you not ask the far more important question: why everybody joined in getting rid of their Jews with such zeal, ‘Why us?’ Let’s face it, when Germany said to her neighbouring countries, in 1942 and 1943 and 1944, ‘Give us your Jews,’ Hungary, France, Slovakia, etc., could not hand them over fast enough! There was no reluctance to do so.”
This generated a small uproar in the audience, but I pressed on: “And when other countries like England, Sweden and so on were invited to take in these Jews nobody, nobody, wanted to have them.”
At this there was a sprinkle of applause.
“Why did you not address that far more vital question? Why did nobody want the Jews! You address only the question, ‘Who did it?’ and you fail to ask the far more ominous question, ‘Why us?'”
The answer was more verbal blancmange from Goldhagen. He was clearly angry to be accused once again of “inventing,” as he (not I) put it, and had no real answer to my point that, as he said, the Jews were now “complacent” about the risk of it all happening again. The chairman made a point of saying that no more questioners would be allowed to “make statements,” so I had got in not only under their radar, but right under their skin as well.
Back at Mandeville at 11 p.m.